My point is that those with a Luddite agenda are in danger of hijacking the thread. We don't know why the second pilot in each of these cases didn't take control and rectify the situation. A lack of confidence, quite probably. But to equate that to a lack of manual flying practice is a wild leap of (biased) faith, especially in an industry where manual flying skill are utilised for every takeoff and landing where, especially offshore each one is different and potentially challenging.
Those harking back to more manual flying are doing so because its all they know. These days we need to be more intelligent about it, and realised that the detail of what went wrong and more importantly why, will be different in each of these two cases. To imagine that flying a few more manual NPAs is going to fix it, is pathetic and counterproductive. So there.