Originally Posted by SLFinAZ
One involved a total lack of professional piloting skill in the face of a known issue
Rubbish. Those guys did the best they could. Throw a 12 year-old into a Formula 1 at max speed at night in the wet and they will make just as big a hash of it as the AF447 guys did.
Without prejudging the UPS accident, the same could well have happened here. A crew trained and checked to the required standard presented with an unusual situation which they could not resolve/cope with. Come to think of it, Asiana 214 was exactly the same thing.
If you flew, you'd know what I was talking about.