Thanks for posting that, Airbubba. From reading this funeral notice for Shanda, it seems like she had the passion for flying, that folks might want in a pilot. I get the feeling that she was a competent pilot. I haven't seen much about the other pilot, other than he was rotor-wing in the Marine Corps, as stated in the article. It seems like there must have been some bad data, an oversight, or a random error, maybe coupled with some fog (that time of morning, with all the rain this summer, you see it clinging to the hills), leading to this crash, as this thread seems to be narrowing down, rather than incompetence, like in the Asiana crash. It's just the feeling I get. Of course, having a passion for and being good at something, don't necessarily follow one another. For instance, I have a passion for Golf ...