Originally Posted by
85mel
you have to have 10 before you can sit the check ride, I believe. and 15 under instruction
You need 15 hrs instruction for the rating, but the check ride counts towards the 15 hours.
IIRC I did the check ride after about 12 1/2 hrs & needed an extra hour's lesson after passing the skills test before I could apply for the rating.
This was back in the 1980's so it could be different now.