thanks for those Cathay links, I'll definitely have a look in the morning. Yes I get that about joining as a cadet. For me it's a smart way companies can lock in a future employee over long period of time. They do this over hundreds of different industries. I see it as commitment to a particular company, in return for a long and prosperous career. Hence why for me, choosing a particular cadet ship path is important. I don't want to be chopping and changing companies unless absolutely necessary.