767....I believe it is not an excuse, what I think, SoS's point, and mine is, is that it is the system in Korea, as the underlying cause, that has to be looked at...much of asian analysis at their incidents focuses on the "what" and not the "why", easier to blame a couple of guys and save face, thus protecting the system. Point is, why two apparently qualified pilots drive a perfectly sound aircraft into the ground...they didn't do it on purpose, they "knew" they where doing the right thing, as hundreds of times before. For an insight into the Korean frame of mind is, just look at the zillion posts about KAL..what they think is the "right" frame of mind to operate a multi crew airliner is not what the rest of the world thinks....my two cents