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Old 8th Jul 2013, 13:36
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NigelOnDraft
 
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Some European airlines I'm familiar with occasionally ask for PAPI's 'Off' approaches.
Pretty sure my Base Training involved that? NCE 22R had no G/S or PAPIs ~12yrs ago and we landed 767s there with a Vis Cct. 22L had PAPIs, but rarely bright enough to be any use >100'.

I've re-read Banglaore A320:
1. OPDES Mode (like FLCH) so idle, descend throught Glidepath, speed coming below VRef.
2. As PF "realises" going low applies full back stick (starts :08s)
3. This in turn triggers rise in Alpha and further IAS decreasing which then triggers Alpha Floor (at :11s) at 135'agl.
4. Pilots select TOGA 2s later (~:13s) [meaningless in Thrust terms in that Alpha Floor had done same]
5. Spool up too long to prevent accident
6. Report reckons had they selected TOGA at :08s (with start of back stick) they would have made it.

IF speculation is correct here then the sequence is similar to Bangalore, but maybe without the Alpha Floor aspect (or equivalent), but even if an Alpha Floor had been installed, it might not have been enough. Also shows that maybe with ATHR "wakeup" and Alpha Floor not operating <100R, this is not just for landing reasons, but would usually be too late anyway?

Whether Lion DPS 738 fits in we shall see?
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