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Old 4th Jul 2013, 23:56
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'Embuggerance' robust word for governance?

PNM and "K" both top posts that highlight the clusterfk that is apparently our 'normalised deficiency' that we call aviation safety oversight in this country!

Kharon:
Sarcs, hope your mates at PAIN are not holding their collective breath for a sensible, timely response. I've got a pint bet with P7 (TOM) say not...
Hmm..nah won't take you up on that bet cause I don't expect it will be answered either...but you have to admit it is a good question!

Besides the only reason that we became aware that there was a 'Parallel Investigation' and report (CAIR 09/3) with the Norfolk ditching was because of the Senate inquiry....why would FF now be up front and transparent if they were conducting a PI with the YMIA incident?

Maybe an additional bullet point could be added to R14...
...Recommendation 14
7.15 The committee recommends that the ATSB-CASA Memorandum of
Understanding be re-drafted to remove any ambiguity in relation to information that should be shared between the agencies in relation to aviation accident investigations, to require CASA to:
• advise the ATSB of the initiation of any action, audit or review as a result of an accident which the ATSB is investigating.
• provide the ATSB with the relevant review report as soon as it is available.
  • That CASA make a public statement prior to involvement in 'Parallel Investigations' with the ATSB and give regular press updates on the progress of such investigations.
PNM:
Forgive me for a slight lateral arabesque, but does anyone know what is happening with the CASA investigation/examination/review of Airservices that they promised in Estimates?
Your forgiven PNM and good question, probably be treated the same as PAIN's question. However my guess is FF will wriggle out of that one by saying that ASA is essentially a commercial entity and is therefore subject to the same protections as other operators/AOC holders and all audit material/findings are commercially sensistive...

By the way Ben's firing up again:
Rudd in Jakarta

Ben Sandilands | Jul 05, 2013 8:36AM

While the PM is drawing attention to the importance of Indonesia to Australia, perhaps he should be briefed on how it now also shames Australia’s disgraced aviation safety bodies

Media reports this morning are full of stories about the growing importance of Indonesia as a result of statements made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd in Jakarta, as though the penny has finally dropped that there are a quarter of a billion increasingly wealthy neighbors on our doorstep who we previously treated with ignorance, contempt or through the prism of stereotyping.

Among the more thoughtful insights were those televised by ABC News 24.
Here’s another insight for the PM, and for that matter, the deputy PM to take on board.

The public administration of air safety in Indonesia now shames our own key safety authorities, CASA the regulator and the ATSB the investigator, going on the quality of its recent investigation into the Lion Air ditching near Denpasar in April.

What a joke that reports makes of way in which CASA and the ATSB investigated and reported on the ditching of the Pel-Air Westwind jet near Norfolk Island in 2009.

Might the PM, and deputy PM, Anthony Albanese, reflect on the situation in which Australia ignores the spirit of ICAO Annex 13 on crash investigations because CASA and the ATSB covered up damning documentation of CASA’s performance in relation to Pel-Air, which is a massive indictment of the standards and integrity of both bodies, while the Indonesian investigation was direct, unambiguous and true to its obligations to put public safety first.

The antics of CASA and the ATSB ought not have been tolerated for a moment by the government in relation to this crash investigation.
Will the PM, and his deputy, the Minister for Communication, Infrastructure, Transport, Local Government and Regional Affairs, squeeze in the necessary moments of undivided attention to deal with this scandal.
It isn’t going to go away.

Ben...PNM...Kharon..Creamy..Sunny...004/Oleo etc..etc we can't all be wrong can we?

"IOS" 4 ever!

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