Whitenon.. Spot on..most of the Skippers who start the W patterns probably do try and set their hair alight down route and in the squidge of min time off in HKG but most if not all will eventually respect the hardships of the W and better manage the pragmatics of the sectors home. to be fair Goat..and to be equally fair on those who share the same small cubicles with you..if you can't hack the rest periods, just send in the ASR...we all know its not ideal, probably unsafe as well, under the legal definitions on offer from the HSE..as are split duties etc..but as we have all said..under the auspice of MTFU..nobody press ganged you into this job and if its not for you, check out Fly Dubai, Easy Jet or Jetstar..live the bunk free life and give the boys a break!!!