Roger that JTO, I obviously misread a previous post, sorry! In which case the words "are not" need inserting, or perhaps "should be"? Thanks for the update. Rather underlines the urgent need for HAS59's "something"! That is the one thing that the RAF can now do by way of amends, to get that survey started and press for the re-organisation of the MAA and MAAIB to become independent bodies headed up by civilian DGs but manned by a mix of military and civilian trained personnel. Time,as they say, is of the essence.