Yep 004
like a broken record!
Although Leady’s history post was very informative, perhaps the RRP history, government policy abrogation..etc could be taken across to Creamy’s thread on the subject??
Suggestion: The
PAIN Summary (or here pdf title:
RRP&Recommendation13) of RRP, industry (IOS) sentiment and Pelair report R13 pdf could be a good talking point to kick the debate off!
Ventus I have to agree with the Ferryman here… “Gold..solid gold”!
Kharon:
Ventus – well done, a dry, informative but satisfying find, to dip into at leisure. It's nice to know there are some clever folk, dedicated to the task, not afraid to admit mistakes and prepared to learn from making them. It's most refreshing to find a group taking as much pleasure from discovering their own mistakes as from 'solving' a puzzle. Most satisfactory.
Perhaps the ‘ARL’ along with some resources from the good ADF folk, could lift VH-NGA and examine the wreckage/blackboxes and do a total ‘peer’ review of the balls up/cover up that was the ‘Norfolk ditching investigation’?
While they’re at it a short jaunt up to Brisvegas to lift and examine the Hempel Yak wouldn’t go astray, refer ‘bizbug182’ post and quote from Oz story transcript ‘The Men Who Fell To Earth’:
JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: As a result of the fatality a fresh investigation started. It was initially dealt with by the Queensland Police. CASA got involved looking into what may have been the circumstances leading up to the crash. There’re number of issues that we were looking at, you know, whether it was perhaps suicide, whether it was a mechanical problem, whether it was just human error, whether there were medical problems. Because it wasn’t obvious and perhaps because the aircraft wasn’t recovered.
SAMANTHA HARE: From the very beginning of when I lost of Ian, nothing seemed to unfold the way that you would expect it to unfold when it came to the investigation. The plane was only 20 metres under water. They knew exactly where the plane was, they were able to recover Ian and Barry Hempel. But nobody was willing to actually raise it.
BRUCE HARE, SAMANTHA’S FATHER: We were told that it was going to come up eventually, and then they said, no, there’s no evidence, evidentiary value for the plane coming up, so it’s not going to come up now.
LYN BRYANT, SAMANTHA’S MOTHER: Marty and Sam basically worked, writing letters, contacting local members, trying to you know do all this work. They’d ring every week, "Is the plane coming up?, is..." "No, no, no, no."
JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: It certainly would have helped to have recovered the aircraft as opposed to divers diving on it and trying to make assessments of possible reasons for it to have crashed. Such as loose objects that could have interfered with the foot controls of the aircraft that may have then jammed and then caused the aircraft to crash.
PAMELA AYSON, BARRY HEMPEL’S SISTER: Now the passenger on that day had a camera. And it was supposed to have been strapped to his wrist. The camera was never recovered. Did the camera dislodge and become stuck under the controls and Barry lost control of the aircraft? We’ll never know.
JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: Unfortunately there was no agreement made, or even a cost-sharing basis of the recovery of the aircraft and unfortunately it’s still just remains there as a dive wreck to this day.
While we’re on the Oz story and speaking of embuggerance, obfuscating, cratspin etc..etc there is an interview on their web page that is worth viewing and gels with 004’s comment…
“Sarcs, I think Mr Urquhart is a champion. He has respectfully and in a dignified manner kept chipping away at the turd (CAsA) in an attempt to find answers (they are out there) to some serious questions. People like Mr Urquhart seek justice, closure and a measure of peace back in their lives and he deserves it, in full…”
Go to the Oz story webpage (click here), look to the right of the page under index and click on ‘Shane Urquhart: Interview (3.18)’ (nb make sure you click ‘high’).
Shane pretty much sums up, from a layman’s point of view, the embuggerance and obfuscation going on in aviation regulation/investigation in this country!
While we’re on the subject of embuggerance did anyone notice this comment from FF at the end of the program:
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority says it had no knowledge and had received no reports or information that Mr Hempel was conducting unauthorised flights after CASA’s cancellation of his commercial pilot licence in 2007
Again… “
we know nothing, none of this was our fault…move along nothing to see here”!
Then we have this comment from Beakersville:
The Air Transport Safety Bureau says that after a review it has committed, despite limits on its resources, to investigate all fatal accidents involving powered aircraft with a civil registration, regardless of the nature of the operation.
Combined with the DAS’s latest diatribe railing against the ‘IOS’ is pretty much ‘on message’ when it comes to the numb-nuts overseeing aviation safety and regulation in this country…how embarrassing!
