Good God. The antis aren't here, the pros are, once again, trying to defend their pet by discrediting anything said against it and those of us on the middle ground are being crashed by the pros.
After a spell of quite useful debate here, we're back to the old stuff.
Spaz, you don't normally lower yourself to this, but I think you have this time.
JSFfan, back to some very unfortunate militant rubbish:
Originally Posted by JSFfan
I'm hearing the f-35 is snotting the f-22's capability in full system sims, perhaps one day you will use the f-35 as a benchmark too
That is a completely crass remark. Where are you hearing that? In what role is that happening? What are you trying to prove by even saying it?
The F-22 is, arguably, THE top of the line air supremecy fighter of the day. That's what it is designed to do. In incorporates stealth (and other) technology that is not for sale - that's why the USA won't export it. That is also why some of that technology is not available to the F-35. Even less so for export.
The F-35's air-to-air capability is only really there as a self defence role - it is primarily a strike platform. Even to compare it to F-22 A.S., let alone claim that it's "sotting" the F-22 simply reminds us all of your blinkered and overstated understanding of the whole issue.