Originally Posted by mad_jock
But out of that 115 how many of them wouldn't have been in the air anyway if it wasn't for the magical chute in the back.
Do an experiment next time you run one of your courses.
get your pilots to plan a flight in a cirrus and then progressively drop the wx on them on route with a natural avoid area and see when they bug out.
Actually, such scenarios have been part of the Cirrus Pilot Proficiency Program since 2005. So, for 8 years, COPA has been facilitating aeronautical decision-making discussions and reviews. We have presented three such courses, Single Pilot Resource Management, Risk Evaluation and Emergency Psychology, and CAPS Decision Making. In my humble opinion, this has had a material impact on the Cirrus community.
Originally Posted by mad_jock
With a similar experienced group of pilots get them to plan the same route but in a C182 or the like without a chute. And see what route they take and when they bug out.
If there is a difference between the two groups either with the routing or the bug out point you have got problems with the mentality of pushing it just because the chute is on board.
Good grief. Do you really think that attempting this demonstration would convince any skeptics? And why would the Cirrus community entertain such a request? Perhaps you would be helpful in raising the funds to accommodate your desires?
FYI, it costs COPA members about a quarter of a million dollars to run the CPPP programs. And we price things to break even.
Originally Posted by mad_jock
Its not the chute we have issues with when used after all other forms of airmanship and sensible pre-caution have been taken.
I respectfully disagree. IMHO, these debates are endless because no amount of data, logic, or training will satisfy a skeptic who holds a contrary belief. We've seen it over and over again when so called righteous parachute pulls have been denigrated. The confirmation bias of bad piloting because the pilot was flying a Cirrus is unquenchable, it seems. The twists in logic, the endless debates, the misquoting of factual information, the generalization of small samples to the whole Cirrus community seem endemic to these skeptics and their forums.
You've just proved it can be a Sisyphean task.
Cheers
Rick