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Old 14th May 2013, 14:51
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DutchOne
 
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Haha. Oh how I love assumptions.

The practical way? (lets assume you're on LGE R180 at 3 DME inbound to the VOR) ask atc:" OO-ABC, request to turn left to intercept R214 outbound" and proceed to R214 8.5D at 3000' minimum (MSA)
In my company you would have failed your check for this procedure. R180 inbound 3DME left turn to intercept R214 outbound? Are you doing a sightseeing tour over the entire airport or something? What normal jet can make this turn radius?

If all services are available, no ATC will clear you for a full approach. They will have a good reason for it if they do so. Especially in Europe. So lets think practically pls. Especially because Dollehz question was concerning the full approach and what of it is needed.

The holding is there to loose hight. If no hight to loose, no holding needed. The procedure turn is there to line you up for the 214 radial outbound. If you come from a northerly direction that is also not needed. But sightseeing tours just to avoid a procedure turn.....

In real life I'd do anything to avoid flying this stupid full procedure.
This attitude is dangerous in aviation.
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