Lyman:
I see what you were pointing to a bit more clearly. Just a few extracts from the CVR from some verbal exchanges early on:
(Note: relevant CVR inputs are from after the event began, which was about 2:10:06) (PL &
PR = seat position)
PL : Watch your speed Watch your speed
PR: ok ok ok I'm going back down
PL: According to the three you're going up, so you go back down
PL: You're at ... go back down
As you point out, identifying a problem with pitch is not recorded. Just for interest, added time tags to some subsequent references .... many left out ...
PR 2:10:49
We're in yeah we're in climb
PR 2 h 11 32
I no longer have control of the plane; I no longer have any control at all of the plane
CAP 2 h 11 min 43
what are you doing?
in the next half a minute, various points comments, actions ... then ...
CAP 2:12:15-19
I don't know we're going down
My read on this was there is a pause between "I don't know" and "we're going down"
The Captain sees descent on the instruments and verbally notifies his crew of that condition.
In the next minute, for whatever discussion and control input went on, and as we've discussed numerous times before, a correction to the person at the controls (
PR) to do something with pitch is not recorded.
PR 2:13:25
What is... how come we're continuing to descend so fast?
Reference to pitch is made late in the event, though the point seems to be well after a successful recovery (unstall, pull out, climb ..) could have been initiated and achieved
2:13:40
CAP: No no no don't climb back up
PL: Go down, then
2:13:45
PL: Go give the me controls. The controls to me.
PR: Go on, you have the controls. We're still in TOGA, ok
2:14:05
CAP: Watch it, you're pitching up <-----------------
PL: I'm pitching up? <-----------------
PR: Well, we should, we're at 4,000 feet
2:14:18
CAP: Go on, pull
It ends shortly after that. (In tears
)