Intruder I know your flying the -8, which I am not so you have the hands on advantage. Tell me does the -8 generate Vspeeds for T.O.? I ask this because I spent a few hours last week working on an alternative work around so the -8 instructors could do a demo for the FAA on a 747-8 course. I know that the Instructor cadre at Boeing have few if any good words to say about this FMC. Wonder what give there?