But why is Lufthansa the only carrier to order the -8 when every one else has gone for the 380, then look at SIA, if the aircraft was so bad why have they just ordered 20 more, I agree with the comment about airframes at the end of their life, the numbers stack up for the 380 even now when you are comparing the -8 with its new generation engines when the 380 is still running old generation engines, imagine the savings when they put the gen x engines onto the 380, which I'm sure will happen once they have got the 350 launched.