Keg - many thanks for the heads up - I'm a definite starter. Many moons ago I used to hitchike down Warrigal Road to Moorabbin on the weekends and help pump Avgas on one of Dysons Refuellers old trucks. About every 8 weeks I could afford 1 hour in a chippie. At that rate, it was going to take me about 2000 years to get a licence !! I joined the ATC at age 10 at Frognall. After a lot of hard work 6 years later, Bingo, I won one of the flying scholarships. It was a dream come true. Been in the game for 5 decades now and don't think it all would have happened without the scholarship. RIP Flt Lt A R Loveless - you are well remembered.