Had an argument with our Quality Manager over the old definition. He couldn't understand why tech. log times were skids off wheels/skids off to wheels/skids on and crew times took the full works into account, eventually our FOI had to put him right.
I flew for a NS operator who tried to take taxi and deck times out because all the pilots were running at 798 hours on their rolling 365 day totals and taking out RR time would give them another 50-60 hours a year (or quite a few pilots when you spread it out over a whole company)
FF