John 21. I think you are missing the point here. GF is a Company haemorrageing money on a daily basis. It is a failing company by any test device, not just economic. This will not be the time to think of a new route to Pakistan! Many posters have offered solutions. We all know the solutions and so will the new Board. Lets hope they now act quickly. Time is running out. Get lean, get mean & recruit Managers from the top down who will not have their hands tied. But John, I do admire your loyalty. You might soon learn that it has no place in todays dog eat dog world. Oh & by the way, what happened to all those guys on MSC courses ? They will have lots of answers to GF's woes. Once again, wasted talent. Gf part sponsored these people in the hope that the recipients would have a management input. Why are they not listening now ?