I know what you mean, but are we still playing because of our skill, or simply because we started off a lot lower than everyone else? JAL and AA pilots were on packages BA drivers could only dream of pre-correction. My view is that we are where we are simply because we can run faster than the axeman, so it's no surprise that others don't see the world through the same self-satisfied (or perhaps self-deluding) perspective that many BA pilots see it. They don't see us as a great, business-savyy pilot creed imparting sound advice on survival in the dog-eat-dog airline business; we're the prison rent boy telling them it'll be easier if they don't struggle. It's hardly a surprise they don't want our advice. At least thanks to BFD we can now give Daddy a big kiss and then maybe he won't beat us so badly.