Thanks guys for that. I was going to say that I'm spoiled by having all of the bells and whistles where I'm learning but I'm beginning to wonder if the PAPI system may be a bit of 'false crutch' - yeah, I try to concentrate on the numbers and keep them fixed in the same position on final, but it's not easy to ignore the lights on either side - great in early stage circuits, just to get the satisfaction of completing one successfully, but long-term I agree I need to forget about the PAPI.