Correct in what context? Are you Dragon guys being obtuse on purpose. My only question was and is - why did Dragon so ardently not want a public hearing? No answer to that just a lot of sideways spin. And yes it was a charitable donation from big to little brother at the time, and that little money spinner at the opposite end of Taiwan from Taipei as well. Threat to CX - in your dreams. Dumped any more fat people lately - good press that.