Just in response to the original post about a little Iberia Express appearing in BA - it has been there for years and is now starting to grow quite significantly. If I was a BA pilot I would be feel pretty threatened by the increasing presence of BA CityFlyer. I cannot see BA short haul in the future in a model other than that of BA CityFlyer and similalrly Iberia short haul will probably end up all in Iberia Express. The cost bases of these airlines are way lower than that of the parent company. Sorry for hijacking the thread though.