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CONF iture
The PNF did not know, as most he could guess, nothing more.
He knew because he saw what was happening on the ADI ("You're going up, so go down.")
The CPT had no idea before the PF comment, due to the Airbus concept.
And because no-one told him the aircraft had been nose-up and climbing for 30s prior to his arrival.
False – Either the PNF was ok to pull more, either he did not have the confidence to challenge the PF. In all cases he was perfectly aware of the inputs made by the PF!
Certainly in the Birgenair case there's not enough information to tell one way or the other. All we know is that at no point did the PNF ask the PF why he was pulling up, or try to take the controls. Like the trim wheel in front of the AF447 Captain, it doesn't matter if the information's there if it isn't seen, heard or felt.
Look - I don't want to keep arguing over this - you have your viewpoint, I have mine, can we call it quits?