I do not think that any of this FLAK (Fliegerabwehrkanone) in this thread is directed towards Ryanair pilots (who are to be praised and whom I admire for doing a good job in such an unpopular company!) but towards its policies and customer services ammounting to (in my own experiences) people not only not getting what they are not paying for but ending up paying just as much as people paying for what they are getting.......... get it? (you're good then!) with the aggro of bad customer and luggage handling/bullying etc... plus the unsecurity feeling of not knowing what they will short circuit in order to save themselves some cash..... (sorry but I love litotes...) Safe flying all. Al