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Old 6th Aug 2012, 18:20
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Lyman
 
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P.S. At what point did you consider the airplane stalled, i.e. what criterion did you use to identify the stall?

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At what point did 447 Stall? What is the relationship of the power ceiling, and the lift ceiling exceedances to the "climbing only due to her momentum"?

I have been trying to establish the cues available to the crew around the STALL.
BEA claim she started her descent without a nose drop, as far as I can tell...

She more or less just started to 'fall', rather than break? This suggests there was no immediate and drastic increase in drag. Certainly there was drag throughout, but the AoA did not appreciably reduce, where is this mysterious and drastic drag arrival? It did not re-orient itself on the airframe, and the g did not shift dramatically, how were they to know they were Stalled?

Wouldn't the STALL more likely be associated with the passing through of the lift ceiling? This happened at what time, can it be known from the report? How long was she climbing on momentum, rather than thrust, and lift?

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