Originally Posted by
Lyman
The pitch was not lost, and bank was controlled.... And it remained nose high....
The nose came down while he was pulling up - if that's not loss of control, then what is? And the bank was not controllable via aileron once the stall had begun
it was the pilot who held the stick back, and the THS that held the nose.
It is possible to counteract THS with elevator (albeit with significantly reduced authority), however the THS was in the position it was because the pilot had held the stick back for so long.
The thing that concerns is the lack of the only two airframe warnings available, buffet and Nose drop.
According to the CVR, both were in evidence - but then it seems to me that you will always find something else to be "concerned" about whenever your current concern is disproved.
Besides, what matters is what PF thought, not you nor I...
Wouldn't you say it's an indication of running out of plausible arguments when one demands proof of something that it impossible to prove?