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Old 26th Jul 2012, 06:59
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Owain Glyndwr
 
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I'm not going to disagree with your overall position that Newton's laws can be used to calculate lift, but that is not quite the same as saying that they explain how lift is generated. If I may take an extract from Gentry's article:

Note that in this entire discussion I have not once mentioned anything about (1) the air having farther to go on the the top side of an airfoil, or (2) Newton’s laws of motion, or (3) about getting lift by “deflecting the air downward”. In the first case, there is nothing in aerodynamics requiring the top and bottom flows having to reach the trailing edge at the same time. This idea is a completely erroneous explanation for lift. The flow on top gets to the trailing edge long before the flow on the bottom because of the circulation flow field.
As for Newton, his laws are included within the aerodynamic theories discussed.
And on the "deflecting the air downward" idea, that is a three-dimensional effect. In our 2-D case, the circulation flow field causes the air out in front of the airfoil to be directed upward around the airfoil and then back down to about the same level as it started out in front. Yet due to viscous effects and resulting circulation, lift is generated. Yes, we can't fly with a two-dimensional wing and, therefore, are influenced by three dimensional effects caused by a complex trailing vortex system. We can reduce these 3-D effects by using very long wings such as on gliders or the around the world aircraft design by Bert Ruttan. On an infinitely long wing, the 3-D effects are gone and we are essentially back to looking at two-dimensional airfoil aerodynamics. If we can reduce the 3-D effects, then "deflecting the air downward" is not essential to the origins of lift.
WRT your specific remarks:


All you have to find is what does the air do when a wing passes through it. It accelerates the downwards and forward, so the air gives the wing an equal force upwards and backwards.
Not sure about that acceleration forward bit
The more air there is, the more lift (either by increased density, wing surface or angle of attack) OK
the faster the air is, the more air is accelerated, OK
the faster the air is, the more accelerated it is
Why would that be?

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