Excellent NG. My time as a F/O was not spent reading the newspapers on a long flight, it was hands on to a degree, with a usually vigilant Skipper who had no hesitation at throwing me a curly one, at 0300. That used to irritate me at times, but long ago recognised the professionalism of the man. I in turn did the same, and have at retired meetings have a former F/O say I enjoyed flying with you, I learnt from you. That does not make me anyone special, it just makes me someone who continued a should be time honored line, of never stop learning. And so it should be today, the bloody things are just as dangerous as they ever were, in the hands of incompetents, who somehow slipped thru the net, and they should be weeded out with no apologies.