Is that not the ultimate aim Capt. Kremin? QF simply a much loved brand, but JQ the work horse. Of course it's the answer. As stated before, Aircraft maintained in Bucketstan, full Asian crews with perhaps a Australian cabin manager, Asian pilots, starting to arrive as S/O's F/O's and ready to take what slim pickings are offered, just glad to move the family here and give their kids a good start , all slow and insidious, is that not has been happening the last ten years? Check out most of JQ's OS CC, Asian, except the Cabin Manager, The drivers still mostly Australian, don't expect that to stay, Laying off of Australian engineers, (the aircraft of today don't need as much service) well tell that to the drivers on that A380, no, QF is going down a one way street, but to get around the govt. to get around the public, softly softly catchee monkey does it. All the wringing of the hands and wiping of the brow by Joyce, does not cut it, Dixons baby is growing up, and its the young bull against the old bull syndrome, and all of a sudden the Roo has a firmly glued Orange star on its arse, and you blokes will be asked/ told take the money offered or leave. Just a matter of time. Its suits the govt (little job loss) it suits the public (QF is still visable) it suits the board (we can run this joint on the smell of a oil rag) but for the staff of QF simply shattering.