Atlantic conveyor, have you considered just concentrating on your job in your 'large operator', it may help ease the pain and bitterness you display each time you post on this forum. Without AA you wouldn't be in your job with your 'large operator'. I doubt this idea has entered into your 'large operator' mind set tho, has it? BTW, pretty repugnant username considering the 12 British servicemen that lost their lives on this vessel.AA is by and large an OK place to be, with a good set of people, doing their best in a difficult Market. Unfortunately resentments grow when movement stagnates. The sooner the Market opens up the better for all......