PJ2:
This is not as complicated as "OODA" and Boyd. The appropriate and correct responses are already there in the SOPs etc and do not require sophisticated techniques to address and correct. If the instantaneous and then sustained pull-up had not occurred as in the other thirty-odd UAS events there would be nothing to discuss here.
Indeed. Detailed comments after seing to Dozy's remark, but FWIW I was using OODA in the context of instrument scan. IMO you can overlay the basics of the OODA loop to describe the use of an effective instrument scan.
In one of the earlier threads, I asked "what we he seeing?" While most estimates are "his instruments showed him about what the PNF was seeing" (most analysis leads to "the RH flight instrument cluster was not acting up") we'll never know due to how FDR takes its information.
Dozy:
The junior crew on this flight didn't need an encyclopaedic knowledge of the A330's systems to recover, all they needed to remember was the stuff they learned back when they were doing their PPL - namely recognising the symptoms of, and recovery from, a stall (which are more-or-less the same whether you're flying a microlight, a space shuttle or everything inbetween). Unfortunately airline management don't see fit to mandate revision of the basics like this by and large, probably considering it too costly.
Respectfully disagree, in part.
What needed to be recalled from original PPL and ATPL certification was how to use and apply an instrument scan to inform control inputs to correct for out of parameters performance. That basic skill would have prevented the stall, and thus the need to step outside the box and handle stall recovery, versus stall prevention.
The evidence so far suggests to me the following: the pilot flying did not have a functioning instrument scan in progress. Had his instrument scan been functioning (see OODA comment above to PJ) he'd have made earlier and more fffective corrections to the nose attitude than he did.
Some evidence points to his colleague in the left seat having his scan working for a bit, based on the corrections he was calling for. Beyond that, I remain in the dark in re CRM, and how the second set of eyes and the second brain were not well used. I hope the final report can shed a bit of light, but I don't know if it will.
I hear music. I could swear that it is an overweight mezzo soprano singing, yet again the
Pitch and Power Chorus from Wagner's opera,
The Flight of Valkyrie 447's Gotterdamerung.
