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Old 1st April 2012 | 11:12
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de facto
 
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Was the captain given the chance to conduct a proper briefing for the approach?or was it hop we go 5 miles to mda...fly and think as you go...
Non precision app key of success or at least safe outcome is a proper briefing so both pilots are on the same page on how it will be flown and when automatics will be disconnected,and how will the missed ap/go around be flown if above or below mda....

Poor briefing leads to poor decision!

Now if the captain had the chance to do a non rushed briefing and it hapened as mentionned:
A FAIL for the circling exercise for sure(attempt1)but repeating the item after a quick chat on why:
He thinks a 'stable' ROD leading him 3000 feet from threshold is acceptable.
If he knows his expected landing distance.(based on weight/ab setting/wind...average skills).
Ask if he believes his action of continuing was due to his experience or sim rush to complete the exercise.
If the pilots believes all is OK , a FAIL and a serious debriefing is required.

Too many overruns by these 'no prob i can do it' egoes.... Time to weed them out if they dont get the potentential danger of their actions...

A -800 at 65t will need more or less 2000m with ab3(including average skills/not over flaring),a Vref +5 at threshold height(as it is in most cases).
So touchdown at 3000ft +6600ft =9600ft....so a mere 1000ft remaining.
A bit of tailwind and manual braking needs to save the day...

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