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Old 1st Apr 2012, 02:00
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COS, near Honolulu and climbing out JFK cases

Hi,

jcjeant,

1) 737 PCU malfunction: Only after Colo. Spgs crash ("testability problem") they started to detect a hidden problem. i don't know if we can classify this as a "design problem". Far more subtle than the Pitot's problem.

2) 741 Flight 811: Indeed a design fault with MANY incidents before this case.

3) 741 TWA 800: IMO doesn't fit as a design problem.They improved the design reducing the risk of a similar case.

Mac

We need to be cautious dealing with "design problem" classification. Everything could fit in that category. E.g. "lack of redundancy is a Design Problem? Not necessarily.

The use of Redundant OBSOLETE sensors (triple redundancy) that "FAILS" near simultaneously IMO is a SERIOUS DESIGN PROBLEM. The use of just one PCU (737) compared to the (redundant) 727 IMO is not a Design Problem. And in the 737 the lack of redundancy magnified the (hidden) problem.

The first case (COS 35 final) was shocking. The plane just rolled diving vertically from ~ 1,000 ft AGL when in the final. I can't imagine the feeling of both crew. Gusty winds masked the analysis. And it was a subtle (not easily testable) problem. Few days before the crash there was "strange" behavior involving rudder. Intermittent failure in a "closed loop" System.

Testability is a complex issue. For some problems only TIME can test.

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