411 We must have talked about this over German beers, I flew with the sharjah gliding club between 67 and 70. We could auto tow with the said fencing wire to about 2000ft, the limiting factor being the wt of the wire and fuel endurance of the Nissan! Sometimes we camped at Buraimi oasis, or at Diad, in the gravel plain behind the Muscat mountains. Then we had a Thames Trader with a winch and enough wire to launch the K8 to 400ft, so we waited for a dust devil to approach and launched into it, the we could soar to about 12000ft. Its the only time I've felt vertigo in an aircraft as for the first 4000ft you were looking down the hole inthe dust devil. I later discovered we were in the airway to India. This finished when our tame pongo stuffed the wing of the K8 into a desert tree. Good times, sleeping in the back of a 3-tonner after an evening by a fire and the odd tinnie.