Ocean, you make a good point. It is worth us all bearing in mind one single unalterable reality: eventually the 'bean counter' mentality, with its 'short-termism' thinking, its 'venality' and its inability to see the 'big picture' will eventually be discredited. One day, the professionalism of aviation based managers will return and this nightmare will be over. It's unfortunate that we are living through the era in history that we are, but it is a small comfort that all the 'small' people running airlines today will eventually be gone. We talk about legends like Jack Smith (a true gentleman). I can assure you we won't be remembering or caring about any of our management that we have now. A legacy is something that can't be bought...only earned.