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Old 4th Feb 2012, 09:12
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stuckgear
 
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People are never going to stop paying for training. Unfortunately it's the done thing nowadays. It's ok people saying 'Stop paying for it and then the airlines will have to', but let's face it - its not going to happen.

I've plenty of friends who did P2F, and are now with major airlines such as EK, living the life, earning loads of cash. I don't see how they're suffering?????
Sorry but that is a specious argument.

1. No one is saying that training should be paid for other then by the candidate.

2. When the candidate is PAYING to fly and has fare paying passengers or freight sitting behind them, they are paying to fly.

There is a marked difference between training and paying to fly the line.

3. When candidates pay for TR's for Line Training, what next, pay for 500 hours; we're there, then what 1,000 hours, then what... then what... ?

4. Your 'friends' who Paid to fly may be working with carriers for sure, but they are suffering in the long run, because they are part and parcel of shutting the gates to career progression. F/O's that require a salary to be replaced by F/O's paying to fly. Economics.. its a no brainier money out over money in. See point 3 above.

5. in the modern era of CRM etc. flying the line is no place to put candidates who are paying for line training / paying to fly the line. The modern cockpit is a TWO pilot environment. The P2F situation puts more demand on the Captain as in effect he is providing training and not operating in two pilot environment.

6. Once the P2F bracket has moved up to 1,000 hours or maybe more, before the opportunity of a full time position is granted how then does the F/O gain the experience to move his career forward to a command position? After all, the preference to dump out employees you have to pay in favour in favour of ones who are paying to be there will not be able to generate the experience to gain command positions and so the carrier itself will find itself in a position of having a problem in obtaining Captains.

you see this and have seen it in the market place over the past couple of years, captains are in demand, and F/O's are not.

The situation is a lose/lose for the carrier and for the candidate as well as lose/lose for industry regions.

Last edited by stuckgear; 5th Feb 2012 at 19:01.
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