oval.....just slagged you off in another post but you are absolutely on the mark with this one..the last 12 years has seen a litany of failures and give aways by the AOA, punctuated only in the last 2 by a meagre pay rise for which they seem to feel they deserve a fanfare of applause for David standing up to the veritable Goliath...the reality of course is somewhat different..as you so rightly stated, they have given away on our behalf far more than we have gained from their successes and yet we still pay our subs without question...I would say that those who have benefited from the recent pay rise have done so despite the union rather than because of them and....even as a union member myself..to say that those who are non members are undeserving and riding on the back of our success smacks of delusional hypocritical arrogance.. a trait that seems to be particularly endemic on this forum