I think we are going to have to agree to differ over this one Racedo. Your points taken one by one are certainly factually correct (and I stand corrected over earlier Jewish ministers) but I think it is all a matter of perspective. From my own point of view I think that whereas the country of my forefathers has often been able to claim the moral high ground, in this matter, as in the matter of the treatment of deserters it has much to answer for