And how long before we become like the car industry and line up for the handouts? Where does it all stop? If Joyce fails in Asia, and costs the airline a motza, that is simply cannot recover from, what then? Its handouts or 36,000 Australians suddenly do not have a job. The only thing I ask, if you are going to renationalise it, please at least wait until the Libs get back in, to be managed by Gillard/Swan could only be marginally worse than being managed by Joyce.