WilyB, do you understand the difference between structural MTOM and regulated TOM?
captainplaystation - agreed. Very poor flight deck discipline and abysmal CRM....
When I used to instruct on 4-jets, the golden rule was "NEVER shut down an engine which is still producing thrust until you are 100% certain that you no longer need that thrust!"
Returning to AF447, we see very similar flaws in AF flight deck discipline and CRM...