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Old 8th Dec 2011, 16:53
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Could you please name the family links to the Privy Council???
Justices McMullen and Woodhouse. McMullen's son was a pilot for ANZ and his family had a close association with a solicitor that was acting for ANZ.

The daughter of Woodhouse worked in the PR office of the ANZ head office in Auckland.

These links were not disclosed at the time, but came to light in the years after the appeals.

ampan, you are drawing an exceedingly long bow to suggest that the left turn was because the "penny had dropped"! There were probably numerous, far more likely, reasons for the left turn. I would suggest the most likely was that Collins had seen flat ground to the left less than a minute before.

framer, you seem to lack any grasp of the concept of "reasonable".

Can you not concieve of another way to verify their position?
What I think you are getting at here is that they could have plotted their position onto a map.

At what stage should they have done this? Do you do this as you commence an instrument approach? If there was uncertainty as to their position, then yes, they should have done it, but there was not sufficient uncertainty.

Things change minute to minute and few of them are Notam'd. That is flying.
This is a quite ridiculous statement. If any pilot was to seriously embrace that view then he would never get off the ground!

For example: the aircraft underwent daily inspection an hour ago, but it may not be ok NOW, because "things change minute to minute". Had better go and redo that daily inspection!

The weather forecast, issued two hours ago, indicated we did not need an alternate, but "things change", so we had better try to get an update; etc, etc...

Totally unreasonable!

There was nothing that the crew could reasonably have done differently.

Who issued the dispensation?
They were not in the wrong by descending when they did. Even Chippendale was of this view.
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