I can never understand why some engineers compare themselves, their respect, their pay and shoe size to pilots; we're not pilots. Is it because we're sometimes within a few feet of each other? That doesn't put us in the same profession. Do you compare yourselves to baggage handlers? Caterers? Cabin crew? I can remember reading one post on here with some numpty engineer asking where he thought engineers should be placed in rank with pilots! Pilot rank goes from captain to first officer; there's no engineer in there, likewise in engineering there's LAE to mechanic; no pilot position in there. We're not in the same profession