mixture, I had heard a little of what you foretell but I don't see that waiting for it will solve the issue of my vulnerable plug-ins, which I really should fix as soon as possible, nor does it deliver me from the hands of the Phili... no, sorry, Adobe. I really don't like having any of their stuff on my machine. I mentioned Gnash which is supposed to be much improved. The lone voice which I have heard condemn it is from two or three years ago. Have you any view on Gnash now? How valid a substitute is it for the Adobe products and are there others which you might put forward instead? Thank you.