But Julian, I'd guess there aren't too many people doing overhead joins if you're departing IFR from a controlled field? See the last sentence of my previous post!
And as for turning at landmarks, I agree - but last week I posted describing how this can be avoided. As I said, I fly from an airfield with published circuit procedures which call for turns at particular points for noise abatement reasons. I've never had problems at other airfields, though, and I believe that's because of the quality of my PPL instruction. A bit of thought from instructors in the way they teach circuits is all that's required to combine the requirements of noise abatement with those of learning.
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