What about the possibility of approaching Twiggy Forrest, Nathan Tinkler et al, some have shown interest in keeping QF in Australia, indeed one of them posted on PPRUNE offering help in this way, and were advised to contact the AIPA. I am more than happy to get into the Greens piggy bank and do my bit, and if many of us could and would and those not able to yet could come in by stealth, giving what they can, we just might pull this off. Just imagine a QF with happy staff, the right aircraft, the right routes, offering the cabin crew a career instead of a contract, the engineering unit restored, and everyone giving 101%. like TE and Virgin, we could shine. Oh and offer Borgetti a block of flats to come back. Dream on I guess, but without a dream, we have nothing.