Otterman, a little update for you. The ballot papers arrived at members homes today. Yes, it could be a good move for all concerned, the expansion of buzz. What the pilots are asking for is to be able to keep the right of transfer between the two halves of what was once the one company, to allow everyone to end up with the career they want. As of now, transfer yellow to blue is blocked, and transfer blue to yellow looks like requiring the sacrifice of all pay and pension increments. They have (had) a very loyal and hard-working pilot force, a little common sense and compromise and they could still have, to enable the expansion to go ahead, to everyone's benefit. Incidentally, the information given to the staff does not feature the 30-40 aircraft you found on your news site, we only have the information Aviation Trainer Two posted.