Ouch ! Sorreeee ! Thread I was referring to IS still with us on the 'Terms & Endearment ' site. Deep apologies to Pprune & the Mods for not giving me a term ! Must stop surfing & getting all het up ! Now, Breath IN 'Calm ', breath OUT 'Stress' (repeat many times over ). Oh but yeah but oh but yeah; Safi , still not the place to go.