Deadhead, I wan't implying the use of the defib was inappropriate, quite the contrary. I was just pointing out that the machine will only give a shock if it can pick up some activity and in this case, it appears there wasn't any. I would ALWAYS commence CPR, I would NEVER assume anything. I know we carry adrenaline on QF, but I believe MedLink need to okay the use to a registered physician before they are able to use it, which I guess defeats the purpose in this situation??? BTW, I heard a rumour a few years back that crew on a EK flight were forced to perform CPR for several hours bc the Captain was unwillingly to call the death..... any truth to this? Apparently the crew were given a few months of leave to deal with the effect this had on them.